EYES ON JESUS PODCAST

with Drew and Tim

DREW BARKER + TIM FERRARA

AUDIO PODCAST

What is real ministry—and what’s just church busywork?

In episode 93, Drew and Tim respond to a viral social media clip that stirred up strong opinions about church volunteer roles, first impressions, and whether we’re truly serving God’s vision or just copying megachurch models.

You’ll hear our honest thoughts, listener reactions, and a deeper challenge to rethink how we define service, success, and spiritual impact in today’s church.

Ask Yourself 👇

Are we calling everything “ministry” just to keep people busy?
Can churches unintentionally make guests feel like a project instead of a person?
Is your church copying what works somewhere else instead of asking what God wants?
How do we know if a role or program is actually fruitful—or just familiar?
Are we measuring success by transformation or by attendance and applause?

🎧 Listen now, think deeply, and let’s redefine ministry through the lens of Jesus—not trends.

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00:00 Introduction

01:36 Gary Wilkerson’s Personal Journey

02:40 Miracles and Family Struggles

04:25 Legacy of David Wilkerson

06:25 Challenges in Pastoral Ministry

12:42 Baptism of Love and Ministry

20:21 The Jaw Dropping Beauty of Jesus

23:16 Eras of Ministry: From Traditional to Modern

23:38 A New Generation’s Quest for Authentic Faith

24:15 The Hunger for Biblical Understanding

25:24 The Shift Away from Superficial Worship

26:22 Revival and the Youth’s Search for Realness

29:20 The Power of Preaching: Insights and Inspirations

31:33 Honing the Craft of Preaching

34:44 World Challenge: A Mission to Serve

35:40 The Call to Pure Religion

37:55 Revival and the Heart of Giving43:37 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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About the Author

Tim Ferrara, Founder of Discerning Dad (www.discerning-dad.com). Background in the church all my life. 20+ years of management experience. Current Executive Pastor of LifePoint Church in San Tan Valley. Author of Everyday Discernment and Eyes on Jesus. Host of the Eyes on Jesus Podcast

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